Domieyes
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 | | 07/29/2008 5:49 PM |
| Well ya all i need ur opions on this one Sunday night as we where just coming in from out back Aspen went to get his toy and must have gotten his paw stuck in a brick or something anyways he yelped and phoenix of course being a NOSEY Basenji went running over welll Aspen turned around and the only thing i can think is Aspen thought he {phoenix} was the one that hurt him so we went at phoenix FULL FORCE i have had them for 3 yrs now and other then a few little "i'm the dom one...no i am " issues they have never fought like this usaully they just leave some spit on eachother and thats it well this time aspen got phoenix's ear and ripped it ![<img src=]() " align="absMiddle" border="0" src="/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/AnimalAttraction/emoticons/sad.gif" /> so after a few mins and about 9 dog bites later i manged to get them apart {i'm not worried about my punture wounds it's amazing how skin heals} But i brought Phoenix to the all night emerancy center and they had to cut a piece of his ear and sew it back up so now he has stiches and a "cone" on his head but when i got him home he keeps growling at aspen i quickly stand in the way and with a demonic voice let them know i ain't having it  but i was wondering if u think they will ever get along like before or will they always have this issue between them "?? they say dogs don't remember things for so long but it seems to me that phoenix remembers this cuz When Cheyanne goes up to him he could care less it's only when Aspen does .. {by the way aspen didnt hurt his paw i think he just pinched it } SOOOOOO i need some advice on somethings i could try and get them threw this before "momma" goes on a ramage .. Has anyone ever had this happen with there dogs where one cuts the other and they get over it ???? any suggestions would be great Thanks Lori/ Domi | | | |
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Newfs
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| | 07/29/2008 6:48 PM |
| Dena, do you think the dogs may be out of sorts with the new move? It does seem bizarre. Maybe Frank will have some answers for you........ | | | |
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DPFrank
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| | 07/29/2008 7:35 PM |
| Dogs are reactive animals, they could be playing one second, and fighting the next, back to playing again. Unfortunatly, this is the way it most likely will be. Keep your guard up. If they fight over food, or toys. remove the triggers and feed them seperatly. You can only manage them. Welcome to the fight club! Sorry you took some of the hits.What sex are the dogs?Are they fixed? I'm sure the incedent had alot to do with this one, but as you stated, they seem to be posturing at other times.
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Domieyes
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| | 07/29/2008 7:58 PM |
| there both males frank both fixed since they been 6 mths old and have lived in the same house with me for over 3 yrs now Aspen is a cattledog/terrier mix so he does get moody sometimes over toys {only when playing } so he goes out byhimself now when it's play time and when all 3 of them go out now there is no playing allowed atleast for now while phoenix is healing in 3 yrs they have never gotten into a "real" fight it's only that spit on eachother kind of thing but NEVER bite eachother where they left marks or anything I'm just consired over phoenix growling at aspen is that gonna keep going or maybe after he heals will it stop ? As soon as it happens i am all over it right away letting them know i ain't gonna take it but not sure if phoenix will remember this and always have an issue with him or not i'm reafurming them who is alpha cuz a good friend said after a fight sometimes they thing that are the "new leader" So i am making sure they know I AM and not them cheyanne is fine with him but she's 6 yrs old and the boys are only 3.5 yrs so she had mellowed out alot and she's really just a gentle dog anyways I don't want to separte them in other rooms and stuff cuz with these 2 i think it would make it worse Phoenix doesnt always go by him and growl just once and a while and Aspen right now knows he did wrong and is walking on eggshells expecelly near his momma Aspen has growled once at him when phoenix growled at him first .. | | | |
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FourPiggies
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| | 07/30/2008 1:49 PM |
| | how is Phoenix today? Lori? I am wondering if Aspen or Phoenix have any obedience training? it may help calm things down.. if you notice them growling at each other have both of them lie down and kinda like be a " Time Out " another thought..with Phoenix wearing the e collar .. it can make him scary looking to Aspen and Cheyenne...they may be wondering "Who is that guy"? until Phoenix gets that collar off.. Hope some of this will help u | | | |
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Domieyes
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Domieyes
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| | 07/30/2008 3:38 PM |
| | Frank any certain things that maybe i should do or try tthat i haven't already When phoenix goes by cheyanne {the female} his heckles don't come up but with Aspen they do is that maybe cuz he's a male ??? and he's just keeping his guard up ? I don't want to Overdo it with them but i want to send the message clear that i am NOT having anything like this happen again . | | | |
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Domieyes
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| | 07/30/2008 4:15 PM |
| Sorry Four i forgot to answer ur question lol Yes they all have training they know all the normal , sit, laydown. stay , come, rollover, dance . paw it acauly kind of funny once and a while i will have them in a sit and tell them to do any trick {thats what i call it } and they always pick diffent ones lol usally phoenix picks a roll over cheyanne does a dance and aspen usally lays down lol lol | | | |
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DPFrank
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| | 07/30/2008 8:23 PM |
| Keep supervising the situations. like i said, dogs are reactive animals. by supervising, you can break the dog(s) "focus" on the other. Keep toys put of the way for now. How much obedience training do the dogs have? Training sessions will always reaffirm you as the leader. I would make the dogs do a "down" every chance you get, especially for meals. | | | |
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DPFrank
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| | 07/30/2008 8:25 PM |
| | Not sure how the font got so big, sorry for that | | | |
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Domieyes
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| | 07/30/2008 10:35 PM |
| | Thanks Frank i will try that i'll keep ya all updated | | | |
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FourPiggies
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| | 07/31/2008 1:22 PM |
| | good point Frank! .. NP about the font no clue how the font got so large.. Obedience refresher training does keep them from FOCUSING on each other so much..it channels that energy in a different direction. Lori, I wouldn't assume too much just yet..Just stay on your toes and please, always supervise interactions [I know you do ] | | | |
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Domieyes
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| | 07/31/2008 7:30 PM |
| | I am taking all the "triggers" away Aspen is only allowed to play now when we go out "By our selves" so a couple times a day i take only him out the back and let him play for a while but when there all out There's NO playing allowed As soon as Aspen goes for a toy I correct him and let him know it's NOT ok there is still alittle growling here and there but usally only if Aspen runs like if he sees a fly or something and i step in it's mostly just phoenix growling when it happens so i make sure i correct him for it . I haven't had his "cone" off too much only when everyone is going to bed and i did put them in a SIT when i fed them it's harder for me to get them into a "down" cuz i have 3 and i feed them in 3 separate rooms but i put them in a "sit and stay" for a min before i feel them Aspen gets the idea that i'm the boss However Phoenix being a Basenji and stuborn he's gonna take some more time . | | | |
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DPFrank
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| | 07/31/2008 10:00 PM |
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instead of correcting him for going for a toy, just remove the toy. no use to correct for something he doesnt know is wrong. why is down hard? practice it alone with the dog, use food to teach him. after he is clear on what down is, there is no option. r u afraid of the dog at all? | | | |
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Domieyes
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| | 08/01/2008 4:59 PM |
| no i'm not afraid of him just don;'t want this stuff happening again like i said i can heal so my wounds arent the problem it's my boys that bothers me they know laydown but when i have 3 dogs in the kitchen waiting to eat its harder to get them all in a down and move room to room whats the diffance for down and sit ?? i ask cuz i don't want to be doing that and it not getting me anywhere ya know Aspen has always been a "submissive" dog and lately the last 6 mths or so he has gotten "more balls" and i didnt take care of it when i should have i think he;s going back to his submissive self lately I know it might sound like i am taking it out on Aspen but i am NOT by anymeans He's just the one that is VERY excitable and i need to curb that alittle I have a trainer coming next week i guess for one day he's just gonna shadow me and see what i am doing and how i am doing it
Thank you sooo much frank !!! i'll let ya all know how this is going .... | | | |
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FourPiggies
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| | 08/03/2008 7:18 AM |
| | a trainer sounds like a wonderful idea lori a sit is actually less threatening for a dog than a down. a down puts a dog in a position lower than everyone else.. whereas a sit, he is at a higher position .. in other words a down puts a dog in a submissive position more than a sit does .. that's why I suggested having both phoenix and aspen learn down and practice the down often both together and separately..make all training a fun thing ..I don't know if you have taught the dogs to sit and wait before going out the door ( any door ) that's something each of my dogs was taught from an early age. I made (make) each one wait until I go through first, then they can go through..Wait is a good command too. Lori, hope this helps you | | | |
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FourPiggies
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| | 08/03/2008 7:57 AM |
| | If you get a chance, Lori, there is a post on here under Behavior>Biting . If you scroll down to where VirtualTrainer has posted his expertise you might find some of what he has written of value. Your dogs dont bite you I know but he writes about teaching the WAIT command ..its interesting. thanks! | | | |
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FourPiggies
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| | 08/03/2008 7:59 AM |
| | its called Growls at Me .. and VirtualDogTrainer has some good ideas.. | | | |
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Domieyes
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| | 08/05/2008 1:28 PM |
| Well i got an update ... Phoenix went to the vet yesterday and he has to go back Friday to get the stiches out they said it look pretty good its just alittle tender right now cuz the healing so hes alittle moody here and there witch is to be expected i'm just making sure no one accedently hits is "cone" cuz he whins  The trainer came today and said it looked like i was doing an Excellent job He said fear wise i wasnt showing any and i was'nt letting the dogs get an extra lead up on me at all and was making them urn everything that they get.. Witch is good in this type of issue he said Phoenix {of course } was pretty stubburn and was not excepting it as open as the other 2 do But Phoenix being a Basenji thats expected He will take alittle longer to get it threw his "thick" head but as long as i stick to what i have been doing things should go well Of course when he came over they where being angels at first Phoenix did growl once while he was here But all and all he said it was going good and that i was doing all the things he would suggest to do soo i guess i will jjust stick with these things and take it from there Thanks to everyone !!! for all there help !!!!! | | | |
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