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05/30/2008 12:00 PM  

Any suggestions on how to deal with a dog that is TERRIFIED of thunderstorms? He is otherwise very well-behaved, and even though he's scared during a storm, he doesn't do anything wrong. He just tries to hide under beds or in closets and doesn't sleep when there is a storm going on. He's 5 yrs. old so not a puppy issue. Any suggestions appreciated - Thanks.

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05/30/2008 12:11 PM  
Have you had the dog for 5 years or got him recently? Our Golden was the same way, but since storms intense enough to frighten him a lot weren't too frequent, we just comforted him through them. I don't think behaviors can always be changed, but they can be helped. Maybe if he sees you understand, he will calm down a little bit- or unless you live in a really stormy area, let him go in the closet and sit it out. He's doing what he feels he needs to do.
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05/30/2008 2:11 PM  

 At this point, I doubt he will get much better. But I must say, giving a dog affection when he is not stable is not a good idea. That goes for when they are aggressive( i.e. mailman) or Jumpy. Best thing to do at this point is ignore the situation.One of my shelter dogs is not good either.  Most likely these dogs have weak nerves( breeding) or no socialization when it was a pup. This is why from 8 to 16 weeks of age, the pup needs to be exposed to as much as possible. people, places things. First oportunity I had to get my pup out to experience thunder I did. He now doesn't even acknowledge it, as well as fireworks.Obedience training is always a plus. You can control him outside when thunder is faint, and put him through a routine. Maybe he will be a bit more relaxed.

 

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05/30/2008 3:49 PM  
Frank, that is a new take on the thunder issue. I'm gonna give the outside routine a try myself. Other things I have tried have not worked, and I don't like the idea of drugging my dog. I agree also about the comforting being bad sometimes. To a dog, it seems that you are giving affection in response to the behavior they are exhibiting. By comforting our dogs when they are stressed, it can confuse them into thinking we want them to act that way. My dog is not comforted by it anyways. She still freaks out.
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05/30/2008 4:11 PM  

My trainer said the "exact" same thing as Frank said above.....you do not show signs of affection or comfort them..... you go about your business like the thunder storm is no big deal.....if the dog tries to hide, let it go hide, but don't go looking for him....if he whines and tries to get in your lap, put him down and ignore it.......

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05/30/2008 4:30 PM  
Just keep in mind, some dogs are just weak nerved. timid in general, splays out when any unexpected noise or sight happens. a dog whose hackles come up when ever something strange approaches, lack of confinance. all of these scenerios can possibly be managed thru some training.if your dog sees you as a leader, and the leader doesnt see a threat, maybe he won't!
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05/30/2008 4:36 PM  
Perhaps the use of the word comfort wasn't the best choice? I doubt that anyone crawled under the bed with a Golden during storms. If, what they're referring to is not trying to stop or change the fear behavior, I agree with it. Our dog use to start pacing just before a storm and showed signs of nervousness all through it. I bahaved as the pack leader should- was there if she wanted the physical closeness, and showed her that we were not frightened. We did not, however, set out to change her behavior. I disagree with that. A dog has a right to dislike a storm or a stimuli as do we- and actually, some comfort is a good thing- it always enabled our dog to calm down.
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05/31/2008 8:41 AM  

Thanks for all the advice. I've tried ignoring the situation and just letting him deal with it and that's OK; he doesn't get really hysterical or anything. I just feel bad for him and want to relieve his anxiety, but I try not to make a big deal out of it. He's not overly timid in any other area; he's really a great dog. I had a discussion with someone I met at the dog park and they said that a crate or big box might make him feel more secure - something he can crawl into and feel safe. Someone else suggested getting a tape or CD with thunderstorm noises on it and playing it, quietly at first and gradually increasing the volume so he gets more accustomed to it and sees that it's not threatening. So I think I'll try the "escape cave"  next. I've had Wally for about 4 years; he is a rescue so I don't know his "puppy history" and since he's practically perfect in every other way, I guess we'll just continue to deal with it as best we can and hope our rain comes in the way of showers without the thunder and lightning!!

Thanks again for the input.

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05/31/2008 1:42 PM  
After caring for up to 12 dogs (and a cat) at one time from doing rescue work here in my home, I have learned by osmosis what to do in this situation, along with some advice from the vet. Basically you can do one or more of the following, by themselves or in combination. They are: administer Acepromazine, which is a safe and effective anti-anxiety drug for dogs, and it's given to them based on their weight. I usually start them off at less than the recommended dosage and see how they do. It's always best to stay informed about when the storms are due to strike so that you can administer the meds prior to the storm, whenever possible, and giving it at least 30 to 60 minutes prior to the approaching storm is optimal. Also, instead of ignoring the dog, I've been told (and have read this also) that you can play with the dog and act as though it's "party time". Talk in a happy, higher-pitched voice than usual, and get them to think this noise is all part of the "party" and that it's a good thing. I use this approach whenever I have the time to use it and it has always helped each dog that is scared. It doesn't always help them 100%, but it's pretty effective, and at the very least, it distracts them a great deal from what's going on around them. And if you have already given the Ace, it'll help them get into the "party mood" even sooner, and then they'll slowly start to get tired and just want to lay down. The last thing to try, which can also be combined with the medication (preferrably after the dog has had it in his system for at least 30 to 60 minutes), is to put them in a kennel, one that is big enough for them to fit in, and the smaller the better, as dogs like to be in confined spaces when they are afraid, it comforts them (this is why you can usually find them trying to hide under your bed and other such places). Talk to your vet about getting a prescription of the Acepromazine and verify my information with them, and you should see that what I'm telling you is fine. Good luck.
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05/31/2008 2:20 PM  

Posted By puppyloverpaula on 05/31/2008 1:42 PM
 Basically you can do one or more of the following, by themselves or in combination. They are: administer Acepromazine, which is a safe and effective anti-anxiety drug for dogs, and it's given to them based on their weight.

->PLEASE TAKE EXTREME CAUTION GIVING ACE TO YOUR DOG!!! I have a Newfoundland dog that weighs 175 pounds. He was given 50 milligrams of Ace at 8AM one day when he was admitted at my Vets... he did not move for over 14 hours. When I say he didnt move, I mean he could not even be aroused enough to wake him up!!  So *NO* do not give Ace to a dog based on it's weight! You could possibly over-dose your dog!

Talk to your vet about getting a prescription of the Acepromazine and verify my information with them, and you should see that what I'm telling you is fine. Good luck.

->When my Newf was admitted to Tufts Veternariary Hospital, the orthopedic surgeon said Ace is not given by the weight of the dog, but that it is a very individual dog "drug".....my 175 pound Newf had been given an extremely high dose by one Vet (50mgs) when once it was corrected, all he needed is 2.5mgs____that a huge difference!!!! The surgeon said he has seen very small, hyper dogs that are 20 pounds that need 3 times their weight in milligrams.....

so yes, please DO DISCUSS ACE WITH YOUR VET...............

 

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05/31/2008 4:53 PM  
dont get a thunderstorm tape, the idea is for him to ignore it, not bring his attention to it. just let him be, nothing gets done overnight.
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06/01/2008 9:24 AM  
Thanks again to all, and Frank, I think you are correct - I'm not going to do the thunderstorm tape, we'll just "go with the flow". It's not like he's hysterical or anything loke that. Just for a little background, I lived with my son up until about a year and a half ago. I moved and Wally stayed at my son's house; for a while; now Wally is with me - for a couple of months now - so he's in a "sort of" new place. When I thought about it, he used to be able to crawl under a bed when there was a storm; My bed now is too low for him go get under. So I'm just trying to think of any factors that might have made this seem more of an issue. I don't want to resort to drugging him - he's generally such a mellow, easy going guy anyway. I think time will do the trick Thanks for all the advice.
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06/04/2008 12:00 PM  

I with you Two, I don't like the idea of drugging my dog. I mean, if they are in pain, I will be the first to give them meds from the vet. I think sometimes people depend on meds too much, and I just don't like the idea of doping my dog up because she is insecure or scared. I know it's a personal preference kind of thing, but I can't imagine giving a child drugs if they were scared of the dark or something. It's kind of like that with my dog. If it's not a constant behavior, then it's probably something better worked through with training.

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06/04/2008 2:11 PM  
I am a last resort thinker when it comes to meds, with that said, some dogs are so bad with thunder,and such, and are never going to get better. it's just bad genetics.in that case, why not make the dog comfortable.
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06/23/2008 10:44 PM  
I heard the other day that it initially has more to do with the static electricity that certain dogs feel build in their coats as a storm approaches that worries the dogs who are sensative to storms. They then associate the loud noise and light flashes with that feeling which escalates their anxiety as the storm draws closer. My dog who reacts to storms usually knows long before they arrive and is unsettled. This gets worse as the storm approaches. They said running a dryer sheet over their coat will help . -I have not had the chance to test this, but would think that once they have associated the noise and light with thefeeling if this has any validity, it would take quite a few storms to settle them. What do you think?
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07/10/2008 5:05 PM  
I am probably one of the last people to ever recommend medicating a dog - especially for something as natural as a fear of thunderstorms. At the same time, I feel horrible making the poor dog freak out every time a thunderstorm comes along. I used to live in Oregon and attended puppy training classes with a truly (in my opinion) gifted trainer. Her recommendation for dogs that showed extreme anxiety in response to stimulus such as thunderstorms or firecrackers was to use a product called Rescue Remedy (you can see their site at http://www.rescueremedy.com/pets ). It's completely natural, quick acting and fairly short lasting, and relaxes both the body and the mind (the thing I really dislike about most relaxation products out there is that they relax the body but not the mind so the poor dog is still freaked out but now cannot run and hide).
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07/17/2008 5:09 AM  

Hello,

I have read all the feedback from members about your dog and his fear of thunder.  I had a German shorhair pointer who came to live with us first in our barn for a few days then came to dinner one night when it was time to feed the rest of our 15 dogs.  He was a beautiful boy, young and a true gentleman and sweetheart.  We named him Bob.  We were living in Missouri at the time and we got great big storms.

First storm Bob headed for the bedroom and hid in the closet, he was shaking so bad,  we did comfort him but left him in the closet and kept a close eye on him because he was so scared.  He would not come out until the storm passed.  Gunshots also scared him and fireworks.  He was a hunting breed but he flunked hunting I guess,  we believe he was dumped off because of this.  We didn't care, he was a love.

I found out from a health food store owner that Rescue Remedy would help his problem.  It is all natural and is for humans also, so I figured it would be safe for Bob.  It relaxed him and he could rest.  I have recommended it many times to people with pets with these fears and it works every time.  My daughter's boyfriend had a big Rottweiler who was scared to death on July 4th.  He actually got away once which is very dangerous for the dog,  I can't tell you how many times a have found dogs running frantically down a street on July 4th.  Fortunately I have been able to get them in my car, sometimes they run to me and get in with no trouble.  Some are lost to their people forever because they will run forever in fear. My daughter bought Rescue Remedy and it worked for the Rott.

Playing thunder music is the worst possible thing you could do so I am glad you are not following that recommendation.  A safe warm place like the closet is a good place to allow them to go to, a soft kind word and a stroke on the head works so well.  Speaking from experience my friend.  Sitting in the room until the storm passes is a great thing to help him through his fears. They are so worth it.

Good Luck and never give up

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07/17/2008 8:41 AM  

Hello, my Sheltie is the same way and she is a rescue.  I buy a product called QUIET MOMENTS, type that into the computer search and you'll find it on line. Its not expensive at all and its all natural (see description below). I think I purchase mine threw HealthyPets.com

Calming aid for dogs.

Quiet Moments offers support to your dog during periods of anxiety, nervousness, tension or stress such as traveling, grooming, thunderstorms, 4th of July, or trips to the veterinarian.

Contains all natural active ingredients

Works pretty well just to relax them.  The other tricks I've use is running the wash machine and putting them in the room if you can. The noise of the machine blocks the Thunder, the other thing that works is the bathroom fan if you have one, or a couple room fans with the TV on works also.  If its night the TV screen seems to block the flashes of lighting to.  These are my tricks along with the Quiet moments and we get threw them very well.

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07/24/2008 5:08 AM  
I have a cocker that I rescued from a guy that had him tied to a tree in his back yard. God only knows what this poor little guy went through. With no shelter. So he get upset before the storm even comes, like he can feel it in the air. I always comfort him and will continue to do so. He comes to me and i hold him. The reason i do this is because he has seizures if I don't. So I would say if they need you be there.
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07/31/2008 9:49 AM  

So your saying take the dog out in a storm?

I have adopted a 7 year old Shih Tzu from a puppy mill about 5 months ago.  She is  a wonderful dog and a great companion,  though at the first clap of thunder she is an absolute nervous wreck for about 45 minutes, shaking uncontrollably.  I have given her Benadryl at the first sign of a few storms and after about 20 minutes they calm her down, but she still shakes horribly.  I guess due to her prior circumstances I feel so sorry for her during the storms.  I also worry about her when I am at work and I know a storm is approaching where we live.

Any advice from anyone would be most appreciated.  Other than storms (and she still doesn't misbehave, just scared), she is a wonderful dog.  She follows me everywhere and is never more than a few feet away.  She has adapted very well to her new surroundings and seems most grateful she has someone who loves her and takes good care of her.

Thanks for any suggestions. 

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