wisconsinamstaff
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 | | 10/04/2005 5:25 PM |
| | no,won't work with the ear cropping..the Amstaff is breed for being a show dog..MOST of them that is..and most often the ears are cropped. Since the Amstaff gets tossed into the generic term.."pitbull", that would't work.sorry.
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bigbowwow
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| | 10/06/2005 9:28 PM |
| | Steve,
Beg to differ. That was/is the situation with Dobes too, of course. Unless you go to England where cropping is simply not allowed. Are we seeing uncropped dobes in the US show ring? Not so far as far as I can recall. But I have seen several in obedience so it may be starting. Can the Amstafs do the same? If they want to...and they want to live in places like Miami, Denver, Toronto!
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wisconsinamstaff
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| | 10/07/2005 6:58 PM |
| | do you seriously believe that these cities will change their minds based on cropped ears? no it will not make a difference. there are people out there like ESQ. Cory in Denver, who works for the city of Denver who will not rest until they remove these dogs, ears and all from the earth. it is naive to think this adgenda will be changed by the ears of a dog.
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bigbowwow
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| | 10/07/2005 9:36 PM |
| | Ok, the amstaff people don't feel that non-cropping will make a difference to city officials as in Denver, Miami, Toronto. Besides ringing your hands (or moving out of these communities) how do you propose changing the attitude AND THE REGULATIONS??
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cfldogguy
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| | 10/08/2005 9:29 AM |
| | Hi everyone- I work as a vet tech and my work with abandoned and homeless dogs dates back to 1972 and I've seen this problem over and again. It's much worse now but in the 70's everyone was afraid of Dobermans. Now it's the bully breeds which , IF they have good owners who socialize and train them, are in my experience absolutely marvelous dogs. The underlying problem is that they attract too many of the wrong kind of owners, idiots with a third testicle between their ears instead of a brain. Guys who think having a "badass" dog will somehow make them a man. In my opinion the solution to this problem lies with making it difficult if not impossible for these types to own this type of dog, ( they really should'nt have pets at all)
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cfldogguy
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| | 10/08/2005 3:02 PM |
| | I just watched the video on the pitbull problem website posted here by mgitavile- it's all true, and despite over 30 years working with dogs I found I can still be shocked- it made me physically sick to see. | | | |
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mozzykat
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| | 10/12/2005 7:57 AM |
| | You know its a shame that ignorant people are the distruction of so many animals. I too thought pit bulls were bad, till i met a person who has 20 cats and his pitbull is scared of some of the cats. he is a big baby and wouldnt hurt a fly. In all dogs its how u bring them up. Why dont they distroy the stupid ppl who cause the problem in the 1st place. Like i always say " The more people i meet, the more i love animals." | | | |
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bigbowwow
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Posts:71
| | 10/12/2005 11:16 AM |
| | Hi Folks,
I've just watched the three sites provided. The prejudice against pit bulls is sad AND IT'S GROWING.
Based on watching these sites, I still feel eliminating cropping is "one small step" that can be taken by responsible owners. Macho-owned and fighting dogs MUST be cropped, while the rest of us/you can live without it. I know the public's reaction to my uncropped dobe is very different.
But I also think the time has come for vigorous legal action wherever necessary. There are a few lawyers who specialize in animal issues. Their active participation must be sought (yes, and paid for!). USA Weekend, Oct 7-9, 2005 mentioned Joel Zand. State insurance guidelines seem to be one aspect that offers a "handle" for starting the fight.
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Bigdogmom9
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| | 10/17/2005 8:12 AM |
| | Silveradogirl says "banning the pitbull might lower the number of human deaths" WRONG! Of the 448 cases of fatal dog attacks from 1965 - 2002, there is NO documented case where a single,neutered,American Pit Bull terrier was the cause of a human fatality. Source: Karen Delise, Fatal Dog Attacks. Another fact to keep in mind - Pitbull is not a breed of dog, it's a term typically used to group 3 breeds of dog, the American Pit Bull Terrier(APBT), American Staffordshire Terrier(AMSTAFF), and the Staffordshire Terrier(STAFFIE). Breed Specific Legislation does nothing to address the root of the problem - irresponsible dog ownership. It punishes responsible dog owners. Bad owners who use the dogs for illegal, unethical purposes will hide or gravitate to other breeds. They go underground as in Miami Dade County, FL passed a ban on PitBulls in 1988 yet in 2002 there were an estimated 50,000 Pitbulls living in the county. END BSL. It doesn't work. PUNISH THE DEED - NOT THE BREED. Bigbowwow I must agree with you on the issue of cropping ears. You are right. I'm from England where it is against the law to crop ears. None of my Bullies have mutilated ears. It is one of the many signs of torturous dogfighting. Being part of a rescue group I have seen first hand dogs that had their ears cut off at the head with knives or scissors. It is sickening. They had no ears left. It is just about as sickening to take your beloved pet to a vet and have their ears cut for vanity. Leave their ears alone. | | | |
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Bigdogmom9
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| | 10/17/2005 8:24 AM |
| | One more thing. Silveradogirl - stop contributing to the over population of dogs. Get them altered then go adopt a dog from a kill shelter and be part of the solution. | | | |
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pitlover
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| | 11/20/2005 10:01 PM |
| | What about legislation requiring that pitbulls and pitmixes be spayed and neutered. Any thoughts here???
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bansidhbabe
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Posts:98
| | 11/20/2005 10:27 PM |
| | I hate hearing that any one breed is being singled out for behavior that is usually the dog owner's fault and not the dog's. I can honestly say that I have met only two pit bull dogs that I am afraid of and both dogs were the results of bad ownership. I have known many more pitbulls that are the biggest sucks and would not hurt a flea. In Ontario, the breed is not banned so to speak but legislation has been passed that will see the breed die out. Owners have to have their animals spayed and neutered and they must be muzzled when they are being walked. It's not illegal to own one but people are turning them over to animal rescue groups where they face uncertain futures. My dog is a shih-tzu and he is aggressive at times, more so than most pitbulls I have met. What should they do? Ban shih-tzu's next?
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quicksand32_bradley
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| | 11/21/2005 9:31 PM |
| | Hi
This is such a hard topic, because the real problem is dog fighting. I teach in the Chicago public schools and almost half of our students know about, have seen or participated in dog fights. I teach at an elementary school how sad is it that third graders are watching this crap. What they need to do is put serious money into tackling this problem. kids who are exposed to this kind of stuff are more prone to violence. It is a much smaller leap from hurting animal to hurting a person. | | | |
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MsMVG
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Posts:11
| | 12/09/2005 12:47 PM |
| I am new to this site, but have been a fan of Pet Finder forever. My thought on all of this nonsense on euthanizing and banning Pit Bulls is incredulous. I for one believe we human beings are destroying everything in our paths. There are pet owners who are very irresponsible, they are the ones that should be held accountable for an incident with an animal. Human's are destroying the land, which drives out all the wild life and they end up dead along the roads. A handful of people see a pitbull attack and are now saying they are ALL that way, that is BS. How sad that we have allowed other's dictate what is best. I personally feel that when it comes to animals and their rights, that people should be the ones to get an injection to put them out of my "animal loving" misery. Blaming others has become the American way of life now. No one is responsible for their children, pets, own actions....sad isn't it?![](/images/icon_smile_angry.gifborder="0") | | | |
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Angelacurly1
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| | 03/18/2006 11:53 PM |
| | You are so right. The drug dealers and lunatics who have overbred these dogs to become killers, or abused then to kill or be killed are walking free but the responsible pet owners are losing their family members. This scares me to death since I own rottweilers the next breed on the list | | | |
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adoptapittie
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Posts:173
| | 03/20/2006 8:20 AM |
| | I believe the most important thing we can do is educate and advocate for the legal system to hold animal abusers responsible for their actions. Supporting any kind of dog that the general public believes to be dangerous can be very difficult as you encounter people who are just downright mean in their commentary as to how these dogs should be all be destroyed etc...I tried to rent a house once and asked if they accepted dogs - the landlord said yes as long as it isn't a Rott, Pit Bull or Dobie - needless to say that conversation ended quickly. There was an earlier post about how a woman has a Shih Tzu who can be aggressive and would her dog be next? Not so far fetched is that idea. If we don't stand up for dogs already being subjected to BSL and are letting it run rampant- who knows which dog/breed will be next? Education and advocacy are the key - if you have BSL in your area oppose it - write to your council men - go to the meetings. Education children and adults alike as to what the reality is for pit bulls and breeds people have misconceptions about. The more people who speak up the better our chances are for success. | | | |
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luv4pbs
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| | 04/02/2006 10:27 AM |
| | I've spent the past 20 years, rescuing and rehabilitating severely abused Pit Bulls. I take on the ones that are considered to be beyond reach.Those that have endured unspeakable attrocities. I am a 50 year old woman with Lupus, M.S., Rheumatoid Arthritis ans Asthma and I have never had one of those beautiful babies that did not come around to become the kind and gentle loves they had always been deep inside. I get such a kick out of those so-called tough guys that cower behind a dog to feel powerful. I dont't need a dog to be my back bone...I HAVE ONE OF MY OWN Happy to announce that my Boo Boo and Poppet are now cuddlers once again and sleep with Mommy every nigt. Have a heart..LOVE A PIT | | | |
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TigerLilly
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| | 03/28/2008 9:16 AM |
| I hate to say this but Florida is now trying to pass the law that you are not allowed to have Pit bulls or any other "aggressive" Breed. It's sad because our rights as Americans are being taken away. I don't think we should be told what kind of pet we can have. Pit Bulls are NOT people aggressive. People need to realize that Pits are very lovable dogs they are very protective, well at least mine is, but she would never hurt a person unless they were threating me. Now other dogs, that's a different story. People need to get their facts straight and stop picking on the Pits. They are wonderful loving animals. Please, help save the Pits!!! | | | |
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snugglebear
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Posts:31
| | 03/28/2008 10:01 AM |
| Hello, This may be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway hoping you all have an unbiased opinion. Most people I know are against pits because of their reputation. I'm originally from a town near indianapolis, and as with most bigger cities, a lot of the drug dealers and whatnot have pits. At least 3 times a summer, someone is severely injured by one. I've met several at the vet or in stores that are just precious and I can't imagine how some can be so friendly and loving and others tear something (or someone) to shreds. I was at the vet a couple weeks ago and there were two pits getting their rabbies vaccine so they could be licensed through the city and they wanted to eat every pet in the waiting room. But the other day, I noticed a neighbor walking a pit and a lab and they seemed really happy and friendly. What makes up the personality difference and how concerned should I be with having pits in the neighborhood with my dog? | | | |
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TigerLilly
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| | 03/28/2008 12:00 PM |
| I have been trying to inform everyone I know that Pit Bulls are not the ones you need to worry about. It's the owners. The bad thing about this is the fact that irrisponsible people get Pit Bulls because they know people are scared of them and they don't raise the dog correctly and let the dogs run around without leashes. I know that my Pit Mix does not like most other dogs most of the websites about Pits recommend that you don't have two Pits of the same sex because they can become aggressive toward each other.
Just remember it's all in the way they are raised. I wouldn't be concerned with having Pit Bulls in your neighborhood. I would be more concerned with the people in your neighborhood that aren't responsible enough to know that any dog, no matter the breed, should be on a leash. | | | |
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