pittieluv
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 | | 07/25/2005 6:46 PM |
| | anyone here about the insanity going on in denver? hundreds of family pitbulls being taken from their owners and executed! what is going on with this free nation of ours?? meanwhile the drug dealers and gang banger who abuse and destroy this breed continue on. the ban doesn't effect them! i urge anyone who cares to write letters to the denver colorado law makers to stop the insanity. they need to find a better solution to this growing problem!! i can only imagine how those people feel. i pray it doesn't happen where i live. but i for one will continue to fight for this breed!!! | | | |
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mgitaville
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| | 07/26/2005 8:09 AM |
| | Actually it is unfortunate but it is going on around several places in the country - Denver has just received the most publicity for it. Denver is also a problem b/c although the goal was to restrict pit bulls the wording actually opens up the door for many other dogs to be taken from their owners. The wording references "anything resembling a pit bull". While owners of pure breeds can present AKC papers to have their dog verified as a non-pittie, what about mixed breeds? Have you seen mixed boxer, bullmastiff, american bulldog, etc dogs...many of them look like pitties although are actually not. However, how could an owner prove a mixed breed did not have any pit bull in them? The answer is they can not since mixed breeds do not receive "papers" to state otherwise.
Two sites that are worth checking out on this issue. The first is
http://www.sorryagain.com
The other is a website that asks you to identify the pitbull amongst a picture of many breeds...you would be surprised how hard it is. I encourage people to take a look at these sites.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html | | | |
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mgitaville
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| | 07/26/2005 10:26 AM |
| | Ok, I have another link that someone sent me today -- very interesting. This link is especially beneficial for those that believe it is "natural instinct" for pitbulls to attack. It sometimes does not load very well so you may have to reload it or refresh the page...be patient
http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/ | | | |
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pittieluv
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| | 07/26/2005 9:23 PM |
| yes, i know.. the pit mix issue is a huge problem, i know for myself, i own all mixes, but to try to get homeowners insurance is a joke, they don't care about the breed your dog is mixed with they are pits if they have a drop and the best is these insurance companies want to come look at your dog so they can decide if its a pit, where do they get their expertise on breeds? they wouldn't know a pit bull from a pimple, i'm just discusted with they way things are going , and i know it's only a matter of time before it hits my neck of the woods. soo please people start writting letters we are stronger together....quote:
Originally posted by mgitaville
Actually it is unfortunate but it is going on around several places in the country - Denver has just received the most publicity for it. Denver is also a problem b/c although the goal was to restrict pit bulls the wording actually opens up the door for many other dogs to be taken from their owners. The wording references "anything resembling a pit bull". While owners of pure breeds can present AKC papers to have their dog verified as a non-pittie, what about mixed breeds? Have you seen mixed boxer, bullmastiff, american bulldog, etc dogs...many of them look like pitties although are actually not. However, how could an owner prove a mixed breed did not have any pit bull in them? The answer is they can not since mixed breeds do not receive "papers" to state otherwise.
Two sites that are worth checking out on this issue. The first is
http://www.sorryagain.com
The other is a website that asks you to identify the pitbull amongst a picture of many breeds...you would be surprised how hard it is. I encourage people to take a look at these sites.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
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puppyluvxx
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| | 07/27/2005 1:23 PM |
| | I have two mutts that people alsways ask if they are pitts. Baby Girl was almost euthanized when she was 7 weeks old. i took her and she LOVES people and other animals. She gets along with my other 15 dogs, 14 cats, the rabbits and even the ferret. Never had a problem with her. If any pit pups need to find a home or need to get out of an area I would love to help(Although I live in Ohio). I feel owners that are found guilty of fighting they as well should be euthanized. I would gladly voulunteer, people are sick.
puppyluvxx912@yahoo.com | | | |
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mgitaville
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| | 07/27/2005 1:42 PM |
| | That is very generous of you puppyluvxx. How do take care of so many animals? where do they all stay?
I know currently nearly 300 pitts have been put to sleep while another 300 sit on "death row" in Denver and the rescue organizations are overloaded since many families had to put their dog into a shelter in another county while they sold their house and moved.
DC is now talking about similar legislation as well...unfortunate doesn't begin to describe this situation.
There are a few individuals I am in contact with that may know of a way to help from a distant -- will post back tomorrow if find something out | | | |
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puppyluvxx
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| | 07/30/2005 1:54 AM |
| | I personally love taking care of my crew (as i call them). I look for all the deals and still live at home which helps a lot. 9 of the dogs live inside because some have issues with each other. My rabbits are lucky enough to have a fenced area in the grass.
If anyone needs a temporary home till they move i can try to help. Mostly with the pups though. Seeing that I have a bigg crew. Pits are becoming my fav but I could never choose one breed. They need the most support... | | | |
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silveradogirl
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| | 07/30/2005 3:22 PM |
| | As a breeder of American Bulldogs, I can honestly say that I am afraid for our bully friends. What legislators cannot get through their heads is that it is a violation of a dog owner's civil rights to dictate which dog they may own.
Although pit bull mixes and Rottweilers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.
The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards.
What they also do not take into account is that considering the fact that there are 65 million dogs in the United States (see above), the homicide problem is minuscule. This is not to denigrate it, but to point out that eliminating it entirely would save only 15 to 20 people, out of the 5 million who are bitten by dogs.
The confusion caused by discussing the homicides and the dog bites in the same breath has its most important ramification in the area of prevention. Some are advocating the banning of pit bulls and possibly other breeds, for reasons that range from their alleged dangerousness to the fact that they are very often treated inhumanely. Those who hear about the homicides often support breed bans.
However, while banning the pit bull might lower the number of human deaths, such a ban would probably not reduce dog bites in any significant manner. After the United Kingdom banned pit bulls in the 1990s, a study showed that the number of dog bites remained the same even though the number of pit bulls had steeply declined.
As a practical matter, the current tide of public outrage should be focused on the enactment of measures that would deal effectively with the broader problem, not the more narrow one. It would be unwise to enact all kinds of controls on one breed alone, not necessarily because it would be unfair, but because it would be ineffective. The war against crime isn't a war against just the bank robbers, but against all criminals; the war against drugs isn't a war against just the Colombian drug lords, but all drug lords. For the same reason, the dog bite epidemic must not focus on just one breed and stop there.
We should be careful to distinguish between these two problems, because it would be a pity to miss what might be an opportunity to take a real bite out of the dog bite epidemic. | | | |
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puppyluvxx
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| | 08/10/2005 8:22 PM |
| | I don't know what the word "no" means. Thats how I ended up with my bigg crew but I love it. | | | |
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TrishLov
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| | 08/20/2005 9:46 AM |
| | Hello all
The ban on Pits here was fought pretty hard by all kinds of animal lovers. They decided that banning pits would not solve what the actual problem is with the breed. Its not the actual breed But the dang fools who are allowed to have them and dont know how to handle them that and the dog fights Must not forget them losers. It is them that distroy the breed. So here they have made it a law that one must attend class and a license in order to own or handle the breed. Why destroy a animal for humans stupidity?
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MonicaO
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| | 08/22/2005 4:16 PM |
| | We as humans have a unique way of ruining much of what we should enjoy in nature. It sure is a lot easier on some people to place blame on an animal that can't defend itself in our terms, rather than the human who abused it or trained it to be a certain way. | | | |
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dogperson
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| | 08/27/2005 6:38 PM |
| | It breaks my heart to hear of pit bull bans and it's not the answer. Everyone is right when they say it's how the dog is raised but the people who are raising the dogs right are not the problem. It's the drug dealers and dog fighters. So if they will break the law to sell drugs or fight dogs they will continue to own pit bulls. So this solution will not work. I think pit bull owners need to go through some kind of training and all pit bull should go through some training and have a temperment test. I'm a pit bull owner and trainer and I would gladly let them test my dog. And if I thought that banning all pit bulls all over the world would stop the cruel barbaric treatment of pit bulls I would be all for it. I have seen pit bull fights and the training they go. It's a nightmare. So if by banning pits would stop all the pain these poor dogs go through that would be great, but it won't stop it I feel it will only get worse. | | | |
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jennfromcanada
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| | 08/27/2005 7:10 PM |
| | In some cultures it is important to have a tough dog. I don't want to sound racist to anybody but if there are multicultural communities with some of the members valuing dogs that can fight and people living there who are against dog fighting then there will be conflict. To be fair, there was a post on this site about a pomeranian that mauled a baby to death. It's not just pit bulls or rottweilers or german shepards. To rule one breed out is the slippery slope of ruling more breeds out. | | | |
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wisconsinamstaff
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| | 10/01/2005 1:07 PM |
| | some day, these idiots who are trying to ban our dogs will have to answer to God...and God loves pitbulls..he loves all dogs. my Amstaff is the most gentle dog i have ever known..the whole breed ban thing just makes me sick..who do these people think they are anyway?
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bigbowwow
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| | 10/02/2005 6:31 PM |
| | Hi Folks,
Yes, the pit bull is just the tip of the iceberg. Tomorrow it will be dobes or Malamutes or, etc. AND THEN THEY WILL START ON PEOPLE-NO BLACKS, NO JEWS, ETC. IT IS THE TIP OF A DISCRIMINATORY MENTALITY.
It is a perception based on essentially NO data. I have been researching the issue for some months and find:
a. The only fatality study is one covering about 1979-1990. The number quoted by another respondent, 66, is correct and represents the whole data based for the country.
b. There are 4.5 million dog bites reported in the US in a recent year. This is a big hurt on the insurance industry.
c. The US government's Centers for Diseases Control has NO (that's ZERO) data on breed specific bites.
d. I urge people to fight breed restrictions in insurance by looking very carefully at their state insurance laws. In New Jersey, the companies make the guidelines but those must not be "capricious and arbitrary". I am currently fighting with the Commissioner on that issue, challenging the state to force the industry to provide data to substantiate its claim. (And, fortunately, not all companies are that narrow-minded). As some have urged me: fight it by choosing your insurance carrier accordingly. Money talks.
e. Finally, there is little question that certain people encourage the ownership of big, NASTY dogs. These are not good dogowners. This is where our legislative efforts need to be directed.
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bigbowwow
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| | 10/03/2005 8:26 PM |
| | Hi,
I just came up with another idea to separate the responsible pitbull owners from others:
the dog shall be exempt from breed exclusion/banning as long as the ears are not cropped. Period! All macho owners and fighters would have their dogs' ears cropped, right?
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